What are some examples of relationships between the characters? What is the building block of these relationships and what is breaking them apart?
Describe an instance when you had a relationship with a friend that fell apart. Why did it fall apart? Can you personally connect to what is happening to the boys on the island.
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Right now, the extent of the relationships between the characters in Lord of the Flies seems to be authority figures and those who have to follow that authority. Ralph is at the top since he’s the chief, and while not everyone likes following his rules, they have to. Jack especially doesn’t like it – he’s a natural leader himself, but only of the hunters. He has less authority than Ralph does, which makes their relationship a tricky one. The way I see it, the building block of this relationship is, quite simply, technicality. Ralph is technically the chief, but if he didn’t have that title, then Jack would step right up with his orders. If Ralph didn’t have that title then he wouldn’t be giving orders or talking down to Jack as he does. The reason this is falling apart is because Jack is starting to ignore Ralph’s title. He disregards the rule of the conch and doesn’t take the signal fire as seriously as Ralph thinks he should, and that’s causing problems. If you ask me, it’s a bit of an alpha-male personality clash here.
ReplyDeleteFalling out with friends on negative terms is rare for me, but I’ve watched this sort of thing happen between my sister and my cousin. My cousin is the older one, so naturally he has a bit of power over her. But she has a strong personality that isn’t about to yield to him and his constant talking down to her, so she always talks back. It finally got to the point where I stepped in and told him that he needed to be mature and that she needed to chill out and not get so aggressive. Thankfully there was no falling apart but it definitely would have gotten to that point had they not come back down to earth and get a reality check. The boys on the island are a bit stranded from reality it seems but unless they step back and breathe then things are only going to get worse.
In lord of the flies, Jack and Ralph have an unusual relationship. Their relationship was built because, in my opinion, all of the people on the island thought that they were the leaders of the island and every decision and expidition they made brought them closer. I think that the fact that Ralph is ordering everybody around is tearing their relationship in half. Jack sees himself as an authoritative figure. However, as Ralph orders him around he rebels because of how he sees himself.
ReplyDeleteWhen I was in seventh grade, I had a friend who I was very close to. However, a few of that friend's qualities led to the crumbling of our friendship. A few of the things she did were talking behind my back, ordering me around, and ignoring what ever I said. I think that I can relate to the boys on the island because relationships fall apart because of power struggles and that was what happened to my friend and I.
Every character in Lord of the Flies have a different and unique relationship. Jack and Ralph's relationship is based off of their authority to certain people. The kids relationship to one another is created because of their fear for the beast and all the other kids are just there to follow along.These relationships are being broken apart because of their fear and determination to either hunt or get rescued.
ReplyDeleteI had a friend in eight grade who was really close to me and he meant alot to me. During the summer he started doing things that were really damaging because he was over competitive and had to win everything. Our relationship was like Jack and Ralph's except that we were way closer and knew each other longer, but it was destroyed by his competitiveness.
As has been previously stated,the boys have two distinct groups of relationships, the leaders and the plebs. Although there are a few relationships between the two, mostly the children stay in their own group when there are things to do. Once in awhile the children following the authority will join the leaders in an expedition or what not, but usually it is the majority of the children or none of them. Jack and Ralph originally got along great, but as always Jack started getting jealous of Ralphs power, and is breaking away a bit.
ReplyDeleteIn elementary school I had a great friend, but, alas, he went to Newton Middle School, while I joined Powell Middle School, at first we would email/IM a lot, but with time we would talk to each other less and less, because of the complications of middle school, and by the time we started Arapahoe this year, we basically ignored each other because our friendship had been divided towards other friends instead of each other over our middle school years, and now we are just class mates.
Just like how Elijah said the boys have two groups of relationships, the leaders and the followers. One of the distinct relationships is Ralph's and Jack's. In the beginning they got along great but as time wore on Jack became jealous of his power and leadership. He started to ignore Ralph's title.
ReplyDeleteThere has been a relationship in my life that has fallen apart. It was with my friend in 5th grade. We had been best friends for years, but started to fall apart because we both started to have different ideas and were competitive. This is how Jack and Ralph's relationship kind of is going except for the best friend part.
In my opinion, the relationships between the characters in Lord of the Flies are based on trust, fear, and respect. For example, Jack and Ralph tend to get along because they are both the leaders and they have the most in common. Jack does not like Ralph, but at least he shows him some respect. However, two elements are breaking their relationship apart. On Jack’s part, this dividing force is envy. He does not like being told what to do and he does not like listening to other people or what they have to say. On this part, I feel sorry for Jack. He is to busy insulting people and acting powerful to realize that everyone on the island, even the littlest have something to offer. He is beginning to hate Ralph because he prevents Jack from reaching the top. On Ralph’s part, his character is beginning to change. He is becoming more grown up, more observant, and more practical. He is beginning to see Jack’s antics as childish and to understand that there is more to being a leader than bossing people around. New maturity is pulling him away from Jack. No one gets along with Piggy because they have no respect for them, for he is “foreign” and fat. Also, Piggy has the unique ability to see who people really are including their weaknesses. I think that might be why Jack hates Piggy so much because he is afraid of what Piggy sees. Between them, fear is universal. Fear is pulling them farther apart. All of the other children’s relationships are crumbling because their block of friendship was built on trust. The cause of the breakage is due to fear and a feeling of having no control. The children bully each other to assert themselves, to feel powerful in an environment where they are powerless. They therefore can not trust each other anymore than they can trust themselves. As Piggy says, they have nothing to be afraid of on the island except for people.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, I have had instances where I fell apart with a friend, including one just recently. When I first met this friend, she was quiet, kind, and very cooperative. Then, over the course of the year, she changed. We were both flutists in the same band. In that band competition was constant. She kept telling me that one of the other flutes was better than both of us or that she was still afraid that one of the other flutes was going to overtake me. I believe friends are supposed to be supportive of each other and these remarks definitely were not. The damage done by these comments was enlarged by the fact that I just happen to be pretty sensitive about flute. Fear began to shatter our friendship. Then she would talk to me hours on end, even during band class when our teacher told us to be quiet. She just did not know when to talk. One time I told her she needed to talk to me at a different time and she started crying. At first I felt very guilty, but I was not telling her that I did not enjoy talking to her. All I asked is that she to me at a more appropriate time. Bad feelings continued to crescendo when, on one occasion, she got a higher chair in flute than I. I’ll admit that it was hard to stomach, but it got even worse when she started whining to me about how she hated having the first part and did I like having the second. She even went to one of our flute instructors and said, in front of me, “I just can’t believe that I got a higher chair than Melissa when she was first chair in our band for two years.” Honestly, was she trying to start a fight? Then came the lies. If this friend did not want to do things my way she would stretch the truth to manipulate me to take her side. My parents began labeling her as passive aggressive, and I decided that I had had enough of her.
Therefore, I believe I understand Jack and Ralph’s relationship best. Like us they both wanted to be on the top. Also, my friend changed, though not in the same way as Ralph did, until she was no longer someone I wanted to be with.
Like many people have said, the only two groups of people on the island are the leaders and the followers. On one hand, Ralph is the leader, but he is not confident in his leadership skills. On the other hand, Jack longs to be a leader, but does not have what it takes to lead the boys. Jack is purely focused on hunting, while Ralph is focused on actually being productive so that they might eventually leave the island.
ReplyDeleteA building block of these relationships is that they are all stranded on the island. They need to work together to survive. What is breaking the boys apart is the fight for authority. The two leaders on the island continue to clash, and I predict that eventually, one leader will fall. For some reason, if a boy has authority, he has to have all the authority. This means that one of the leaders will have to go.
I had a relationship fall apart in seventh grade. This girl and I were good friends, but then our personalities started to change. We became different people; we started to talk about each other behind our backs and started becoming jealous of one another. After a while, our relationship was completely ruined. I can relate to the boys because I think our fight was an authority problem. We were both trying to be popular and it tore us apart.
I have a question about the parachuter-- Is it human? Is it alive? What is it doing? Does anyone have ideas? No spoilers please! But I do think that the boys had better pull it together before they all go against each other.
ReplyDeleteI think that there are many different relationships between the characters so far in Lord of the Flies, both on the inside and the outside.
ReplyDeleteOn the outside, Jack is shown to have respect for Ralph, and doesn't like Piggy. However, on the inside, I think he is different. I think that he doesn't like Ralph because Ralph keeps pointing out what he does wrong to the group. I also think that Jack wishes he was leader, and is tired of following Ralph's rules. His feelings toward Piggy are completely negative. I think that the reasons he doesn't like Piggy are that Piggy is cleverer than he is and Piggy agrees with Ralph all the time.
The relationship between Ralph and Piggy is different. I think that Ralph starts to realize how smart and important Piggy is to the group, but still sees himself as the leader. Piggy looks up to Ralph, and is definitely more of a follower.
I think that there is also a growing relationship between Jack and his hunters. For some reason, it seems to me that they are becoming their own group, and that they will eventually ignore Ralph and all of his rules so that they can hunt all the time and do whatever they please.
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I have never had a friendship that has completely fallen apart. It is more a matter of growing apart. Most of the people who I was best friends with in elementary school aren't my friends anymore. I think that as you grow up, you begin to realize more of who you are. So does everyone else, and that's when you find out who you are truly connected to.
Sometimes, my two best friends and I fight. It usually never lasts more than an hour or two. However, one time it lasted for a couple of days. The whole fight started because we were on opposing sides of an issue, and we were both unwilling to admit that we might be wrong.
I think that this will happen to the boys on the island, except that some relationships will fail permanently because of it.
I think that the relationship between Ralph and Jack is odd, to say the least. It seems to me that Jack wants to be leader so the only reason he's "friends" with Ralph is so that he may become just that. It's hard to call such a relationship a friendship at all.
ReplyDeleteThen,of course there is the relationship between Piggy and Ralph is actually there. Piggy can be a nuisance but Ralph does somewhat care for him, but he has this facade up where he is "too cool" to be a friend.
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In my own personal life, I have had very, very few relationships that have fallen apart. I tend to be kind of picky who I want to be close to. Much like Emily M, those relationships grow apart, not fall apart. The only relation of mine that has ever fallen apart was one where my friend started lying to me over and over and over,so I just cut it off.
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I think the boys on the island's relationship will fall apart because of fear. It is already apparent they are fearful of not getting rescued, they are fearful of what will happen to them. Fear usually leads to chaos or destruction.
By the way, it makes me angry that they call Piggy, Piggy. That is rude beyond belief. Why can't we know his real name?
I think that there are two different relationships in this book. The first one is between the leaders and the followers. The second one is the big kids and the little kids. The first relationship that I saw is the leaders vs. the followers. The leaders are basically Jack, and Ralph. Jack is in charge of everything and people respect him a a hunter. They do what he says when they hunt but outside of that, they respect Ralph and do whatever Ralph says because he is the leader. He has the conch and that gives him some power over the rest of them because he has more voice. The building block of this relationship is the fact that Ralph has the voice of the conch and Jack is respected as a hunter. This will fall apart if Jack can no longer hunt or if Ralph loses the conch.
ReplyDeleteThe next relationship is between the bigguns and the littleuns. The littleuns just play around and do not bother the big kids but the big kids also feel like they can do whatever they want the the little kids. The little kids need the big kids but the big kids could careless about the little kids. They are just in the way to them. This might fall apart if the littlekids can survive on there own. The building block is the fact that some of the big kids want to help and that the little kids need it.
I think that only relationship that has fallen apart is the one with my friend Cameron. We used to hang out all the time until he decided to become emo all of a sudden. We didn't hang out much after that because he thought I wasn't cool enough.
Relationships change and in LOF it shifts all the time. Like many others have said, the two main groups are the leaders and the followers. In the beginning, Jack and Ralph were close because they both were leaders and they respected each other. As time went by, Jack became envious of Ralph's authority causing their relationship to fall apart. This caused Jack to disregard all the rules and not show respect to Ralph. The next relationship is between Piggy and everyone else. Piggy is different than everyone else. He is fat, had asthma, and wears glasses. No one respects him because he is different. The last relationship i saw was the relationship between the little kids and the older ones. The little kids depend on the older ones. They can not survive on their own. On the other hand, the some of the older kids think that the little ones are just a pain and would gladly just "toss them to the side" while the others want to help them. This relationship will fall apart quickly if the little kids could depend on themselves or the older ones no longer cared. the building blocks of these relationships are that they are all stuck on a deserted island and need each other to survive and be rescued.
ReplyDeleteThe only relationship that has fallen apart was in fourth grade one of my friends was trying to be the leader and boss me around but i wouldn't let her. She got all mad at me because i wouldn't let her boss me around so we split apart and found new friends.
There are many different relationships between characters in Lord of The Flies. Like most people have said there are two main groups on the island, the leaders and the followers. The leaders mainly consist of Ralph and the other “biguns”.The followers are full of the “littleuns” who do whatever they want to do while the leaders are focused on protecting and providing for the boys. Ralph is the leader of the group and makes most of the decisions. He is focused on getting off the island they are on. Another “leader” figure would be Jack, however the only thing he wants to do is hunt, so that causes conflict between the two of them. I think that what is breaking the bond between these boys is fear and others implying what to do and how to do it. When you look up or down to someone it can really change your perspective on things.
ReplyDeleteI have actually had an experience when a friendship had fallen apart.When I was in second grade I met this girl named Lanie, we started to become friends and hung out with each other at recess. From then on we became inseparable. We had even planned our future together, we would live next-door to each other and both marry twins! We were like this until middle school.Lanie was always the popular more outspoken one where I was quieter. Soon Lanie had forgotten me and all of our fun times together. We were strangers to each other and even when I had tried to change that I still got unnoticed.
I can’t really say that I can understand the breaking bonds between the boys because I haven’t been trapped on an island with a group of people. Ending relationships is different when you are in different situations.
Ralph and Jack are/were good friends at the beginning of the book. Really the older kids have power; and then everyone else is below them. People with good skill sets become friends. Jack and Ralph don't really like each other, except Ralph is respected by most everyone. Ralph has more authority, and that's what Jack covets. Ralph and Piggy are good friends too. Piggy would be in trouble if Ralph gave up his position of power because Jack passionately hates him. The bonds between friends on the island are breaking because of fear of the so called beastie and the struggle for power. I quote Yoda, "Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." I think they've already started on this path.
ReplyDeleteI argued with my friend because we both had differing opinions on an issue, and we never really talked very much after that. I met him at school, and sometimes we talk still, but never about that issue. Lots of people will have broken relationships, and some may be mended and others will never be repaired.
In Lord of the Flies the two relationships that have really stood out to me are relationships between Ralph and Jack and between Ralph and Piggy. The building block for the relationship between Ralph and Jack is the fact that they are both leaders and have to work together. What is breaking this relationship up is that Ralph is the leader and Jack wants to lead the group and is hungry for power. The building block for Ralph and Piggy is that Ralph knows that Piggy is smart and logical, more so then anyone else. What is breaking this relationship apart is that Ralph is annoyed with Piggy and his complaining.
ReplyDeleteI can only think of instance that the relationship between my friend and my relationship breaking apart. The reason it fell apart was because as we grew older you personalities started growing apart, that we didn’t get along as well as we did before. I can relate to this story because Ralph and Jack’s personalities are so separate that they don’t get along very well.
Loyalty and respect are the main building blocks of relationships between the characters in Lord of the Flies. Jack and Ralph’s relationship isn’t healthy because they don’t respect each other and they are constantly arguing. Jack is obviously super duper jealous of Ralph because he’s chief. I think that Jack wouldn’t be a good chief because he jumps to conclusions rather quickly, and he has no patience. He’s also very rude and he doesn’t understand the littluns. Ralph is more understanding, and he listens to what the other kids have to say. He also shows much more respect to everyone, including Piggy, but he also leads with an iron fist. Ralph seems to understand the balance needed in a leadership where the leader is clearly understood but also liked and respected by the followers.
ReplyDeleteThe main thing that ruins relationships in my opinion is jealousy. The anger and hate built up when you envy something or someone is something irreplaceable and those strong feelings will cause problems. Also, fear causes problems. When someone is very scared, their world becomes warped into another reality where there thoughts are confusing and misunderstood.
Everyone goes through relationship problems with friends in life. In my case, I’ve never had a huge fight split me up from a friend, usually we just change. I’ve known this one girl since I was 3 and now I wouldn’t be able to state we’re friends without lying. We never really got mad at each other, and we don’t hate each other, our interests just changed as we got older and we grew apart.
I know that other people’s relationships get cut off very… Viciously. They get into a huge fight and never talk to each other ever again. I believe that’s going to happen in this book, and I have a feeling that Jack is going to leave Ralph and start his own “pack”.
I think a good example of a relationship is Jack and Ralph. The building blocks of their friendship was that they were both leaders, yet that is also the thing that is tearing them apart. They became friends because they were both older and knew how to handle responsibility, but as Jack grew wilder he rebelled from Ralph's leadership. That ultimately destroyed their friendship as did when Jack called the boys away from the fire and they missed a possible rescue because it went out.
ReplyDeleteI have a great example of when a relationship fell apart in my life. Last year I made this great new friend and we were super close and I told her practically everything. I do not really want to go into too much detail because it still hurts to talk about it, some of you probably know what I am talking about if you went to Powell. Anyways we had a conflict over something really stupid. I didn’t think it was a big deal but she made it a big deal and never really forgave me for it. Then on the last day of school, well let's just say it was one of the worst days of my life. The only reason the situation became so big is because she still did not forgive me. It was awful! Everyone in the grade was gossiping about it, even the teachers! You probably have not had teachers gossip about you but it was horrible. Everyone knew what was going on and were drawing their own conclusions about the situation. Anyways we haven't spoken since then. Pretty much been ignoring each other, I mean I would apologize but I know that she still blames me even though everyone found out it was not my fault.
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ReplyDeleteAn example of a relationship would be the “friendship” between Piggy and Ralph. It fell apart because Ralph desired more power over the rest of the boys. He is a good leader, in my opinion, but he is not a very good person. The relationship started because Piggy wanted a friend and Ralph seemed really remarkable. The friendship fell apart because Piggy was physically unattractive, and Ralph was very condescending to him.
ReplyDeleteKealani was my best friend in elementary school. She wanted more popular friends, and I just didn’t cut it in her opinion. No, I don’t relate to Ralph and Piggy’s relationship. The friendships I have made, I generally make for good solid reasons. I wouldn’t ever make a friend and then dump them because they weren’t cool enough or good-looking enough.
The first item that comes to mind is the relationship between Jack and Ralph. While this may be the most obvious, it is extremely complicated to understand. At times throughout the novel it seems as if Jack would obey every command that Ralph issued. For example on page 44, Ralph talks about the fire needing attending every day. Jack jumps at this opportunity and volunteers himself and his choir. Then, later on in the book, Jack’s ego seems to become a hurdle for the two boys’ relationship. Jack begins to completely disregard what “Chief Ralph” has to say. Through all of this, however, Ralph seems to have the ability to continually overlook what Jack’s disobedience. Nevertheless, being young boys, they are afraid to charge each other with an ultimatum, and therefore easily make up and go on being friends. In the most recent “argument”, Jack again disobeyed Ralph and let the fire extinguish when a ship was near. At this, Ralph became furious, but again didn’t seem to put Jack in his place. This is another reason their relationship is complicated. As long as Ralph continues to dawdle as a leader his friendship with Jack can survive. The moment Ralph steps up to the plate and takes charge of the group of boys fully, Jack will begin to see there is not room for two chiefs.
ReplyDeleteAnother odd relationship is that between Ralph and Piggy. It is extremely shaky, but still thrives. Their friendship appears to be getting stronger as Ralph realizes Piggy is a vital asset to the survival of the group. In saying this, Jack is brought up. At every opportunity Jack antagonizes Piggy and Ralph does nothing. At every meeting, Jack has disobeyed the rules, and Piggy is the only one who stands up to him. Again, the relationships between Piggy and Ralph, Jack and Piggy, and Ralph and Jack all depend on whether Ralph will assume his role as chief. Not only those three, but every young boy on the island has formed a relationship with at least one other person. Whether it is good or bad, it will be influenced by how Ralph uses his power.
An item of controversy, “the beastie”, has also been breaking down relationships. Many of the children on the island are afraid of this unknown creature, and fear can greatly change people.
An instance in my life where a relationship with a friend fell apart was vaguely similar to Piggy and Ralph’s relationship. In 5th and 6th grade I distanced myself from my best friend because of peer pressure. Similarly, I believe Ralph won’t stand up for Piggy because he will be looked down upon by others. After really looking into myself, I knew that I needed my friend, and he needed me. So I went to him and apologized, now we are very good friends. I hypothesize that Ralph will do the same with Piggy, and that it could alter the course of the novel.
Jack and Ralph have a love hate relationship. One moment they are like best friends and the next the can't stand eachother. For example, when Ralph was leading the assembly, jack wasn't to happy that Ralph even let the littluns talk. but when Jack heard that the twins saw the beast, he did not object to go and search for the beast. The building block of this relationship is probably just the urge to be able to share their emotions with those around them. The fact that they are always together, and not able to be completly care free, and jealousy is what is breaking them apart.
ReplyDeleteI have had a relationship with a friend that has fallen apart before. My friend and I had probably been the closest than we had ever been before, when all of a sudden she just stopped talking to me. She acted like I had betrayed her or something, when I didn't. The longer she didn't talk to me the more hard feeling we both had for each other. However, one day she decided to just talk to me again. It was like she controlled me or something. The story doesnt end there though. She had done the same thing about three more times until I had just had enough. I will probably not be able to be close friends with this person again becasue of the harsh ways she has treated me. However, the way she treated me wasn't the only thing caused our relationship to fall. It was the was that I decided to treat her back. I had hard feelings for the way that she was. That probably did not help much things. I can't personaly relate to what the boys are going through right now becasue first of all they are stranded on an island which makes things different, and second of all I think that some of these feelings or hatred between them was started when they first met. So I cannot relate to them.
The relationship that stood out the most to me is the relationship between Piggy and Ralph. Their relationship isn't necessarily a good one. It is based on the fact that they were the first two to start a community. I think that Piggy has a huge respect for Ralph. He wants very much to have Ralph like him. Ralph seems to feel some obligation to Piggy since he was Ralph's first companion. However, Piggy tries so hard to have Ralph's approval he is pushing him away instead. Ralph's ignorance to Piggy's insecurities also puts a strain on their relationship
ReplyDeleteI can relate to both Piggy and Ralph. I relate to Piggy in that I have an older sister. When I was younger, she wouldn't want me to hang out with her and her older friends. We finally saw eye to eye when I occupied my time with other things and people. Now we have many mutual friends. Ralph is relatable to me now that I am an older sister. I get very frustrated when my younger step sister won't leave me alone. It can be especially annoying when I am trying to accomplish things.
I think that stressful situations whether they are social or just in general can put a strain on relationships. In that way I connect to all the boys on the island.
In answer to Emily’s question, I believe the parachutist is a soldier shot in the battle the author describes with the lights flashing over the island. I believe the dead soldier is the boy’s requested "message" from the adult world. I think it is ironic that their much-wanted message becomes a beast in itself. Does anyone have an idea about what the beast represents? The beast definitely represents fear, but a fear of what? It is my opinion that the beast represents the flaws of humankind, the hidden jealousy and anger that often times is sparked by fear. As Piggy says, there is nothing on the island to be afraid of but humans. I think those words were a lot wiser than what the other boys thought.
ReplyDeleteThe main character relationships in Lord of the flies seem to culminate around authority and imagination. Ralph- being the chief is the main authority, but Jack feels the need to exert his already given position of power over the choir onto the entire group. This puts Ralph and Jack at odds at the moment because Ralph is dedicated to the way they've known authority in their life so far, symbolized by the priority of being rescued, while Jack is favorable towards maintaining the freedom they currently have on the island, symbolized by the priority of hunting down and killing the pig. More of the older children are partial towards this idea while the younger children are partial towards Ralph's form of governing the island. Ralph and Jack have emerged as the two entirely different forms of government and grown further and further apart as the book progressed, separated by their beliefs.
ReplyDeletePiggy is another character of interest in terms of authority because he is the underlying adult figure pushing Ralph to maintain his firm stance on being rescued as the 1st priority, Jack subconsciously knows that Piggy is the one who is determined to undermine his desire to keep this freedom for longer, therefore he hates Piggy.
In the realm of imagination there is a much darker relationship taking place in which the younger children are allowing their fear of a life without adults to run wild, creating in the imagination this beast that they fear will attack them at night. This contributes to their respect for Ralph and Piggy's form of government and contributes to the older children's respect for Jack's authority because they are less believing and less afraid of the beast.
I have had a friendship fall apart in the past mostly because that person and I grew apart, while I changed that person stayed the same so I grew out of the friendship. In a way I (in this relationship) can be compared to Jack who grows out of the old ways of authority while my friend can be compared to Ralph who stays the same.
One of the most prominent relationships in this story is the relationship between Ralph and Jack. This relationship was built on mutual want for leadership and I feel that that will cause the demise of their relationship. Jack needs power and control. Ralph handles the power and control better than Jack ever will and I think that Jack subconsciously. I agree with Eric in the differences towards their leadership. Jack reminds me of Macbeth in that he can see power that could potentially be his and he's willing to do whatever it takes to get there. Piggy and Ralph is another interesting relationship. They gained a relationship because they were the first to find each other and now Ralph looks down upon Piggy for his differences and because he knows that Piggy is smarter than Ralph. I can honestly say I've only had one friendship that has truly fallen apart and that was based on mistrust and backstabbing. I can't really say that I relate to the boys on the island because I've never been in a position like that, but it's very easy to visualize these relationships and the power struggles that take place.
ReplyDeleteAt this point in the book there are a few relationships developing between the characters. The one I find most prominent is the relationship between Ralph and Jack. I find Jack becoming jealous of Ralph’s power and a tension growing between them. These two being the most influential members in the group I find it echoing around to everyone. The other relationship I see is that between Piggy and Ralph, at first they got along pretty well together but now Ralph is becoming more like the others in their attitude towards Piggy. This is important because Piggy is easily the most intelligent boy in the group and without anyone to listen to him it will drive them even further into chaos.
ReplyDeleteA while ago a friend and I stopped being friends. It wasn’t because we were fighting it was really mostly because we were growing up and the things that had connected us in the past didn’t apply anymore and we just stopped being friends. This is similar from what had happened in the story because at first Ralph and Jack were all hunky-dory with each other but as time on the island progressed times changed and their trip to the top of the mountain wasn’t strong enough to unite them over their new differences.
The relation ship that stands out the most is the relationship between Jack and Ralph. Both fo them want to be the leader, but Ralph is the one with the power for now. Jack's and Ralph's relationship is based on respect as they are both leaders. The lust for power is breaking apart their relationship.
ReplyDeleteI remember in 5th grade I was really good friends with a guy. We were really good friends until he went to Powell and I went to Newton. We didn't stay in touch at all. We both changed over three years and now we barely talk to each other.
The relationship in the book between Ralph and Jack is the most interesting in my opinion because both boys strive to be leaders, but they both fall short in some personality qualities. The building block started in the beginning of the book when the assembly to determine who would be leader took place. Ralph thought he was better suited for the postition, Jack thought that he himself would make an outstanding leader, it is basically the same situation leaders have fought about for centuries. What it really comes down to is how the leader will provide for their people. So far, i think Ralph has done a poor job of being leader because he did not supervise Jack during the time the fire was still going. And if Jack couldn't even keep the fire going himself, then how on Earth would he have managed being a leader for several boys to report to? The tension between the two boys as to who would be a better leader is pulling them apart.
ReplyDeleteI had a friendship once that fell apart, so i can partly relate to the situation on the island. My friend always had the newest, coolest gadjets, and she always wore designer clothing. When i would point out a new item of mine, she would acknowledge it for a second and then bring up a more expensive item she had recently purchased. The competition was pulling us apart, and eventually i had to end the friendship.
Ralph and Piggy have a good relationship because they can usually get along and they want an equal community. They think and realize the same things. Jack doesn't get along with Ralph and Piggy cause he is blood thirsty and wants only problems or something to keep him entertained.
ReplyDeleteMy freindship that fell apart was when my friend finally had his first girlfriend. He was cool until was trying to do things just so he could show off. I didn't like it so I confronted him about it then it all just fell apart.
One of the main examples of a relationship would be the one between Ralph and Jack. Ralph has more power in the leader position then jack and that seems to be causing some tention between them. Jack has the leadership part for the hunting part of the choir but this doesnt seem to be enough for him. I feel that Ralph thinks there is a little competition for his position as chief and that is starting to really cause some problems for the two of them. Another relationship that isnt going well is the one between Ralph and Piggy, I feel that there isnt competition between them, but Piggy isnt very good at standing up for himself so he tends to be an easy target to pick on.
ReplyDeletePersonally I have never really had a problem like that with friends, but I can imagine what it would be like because I have had two friends that were sort of competititive with each other for the spotlight, so I have seen it happen and seen the not so good result. I cant personally relate to the boys on the island though but I do know what everyone else that is seeing this happen is feeling like, how it gets frustrating to see this happen between two people.
I think that one of the very interesting relationships in this book so far is the one between Ralph and Piggy. Ralph is kind of...bipolar towards Piggy in this book. He'll be mean to him for a huge duration of a chapter then he will be nice to him and hint at a friendship but then completely flip out at the drop of a hat, or one single implication of Piggy being rude or saying something Ralph doesn't like. The thing that really baffles me about the relationship is the fact that Piggy keeps on going back for more. Ralph is often mean to Piggy when Jack is around and then not as much when it is just him and Piggy, so even when Jack is around Piggy looks to Ralph for protection and guidance as if he thinks that just because Ralph won't be under Jack's little "spell" that he will be nice to him. If someone treated me in that manner then I certainly wouldn't put up with it let alone go back for more. At that point they would have to earn my respect back. Another relationship that i find interesting is kind of a broad relationship. The relationship between the "littluns" and the "bigguns" I don't quite understand why the older kids are so mean to the little ones and why they are always making fun of them for being babies. These children are only about six years old and they are on a strange, unknown, deserted island. Of course they are going to be scared of being there all alone.
ReplyDeleteI agree with JDH2013 about Jack's relationship with Piggy and Ralph but not about the relationship between Ralph and Piggy
ReplyDeleteAs far as relationships go, there are few. Really it’s the older kids vs. the younger ones. The older one dominate the discussions and meetings, they decide whether or not there is a beastie, they decide how things are going to work and whats going to happen. All though I can’t blame them to much for doing that. With Ralph and Jake its love-hate relationship. Both melaniea2013 and KaraN2013 have the same concepts with those to boys. At some points they can be civil, friendly almost while at others they but heads. Poor piggy can’t get a relationship with anyone other than fearing Jake because he is such a bully. They can’t stick together because they are all under stress from not being found and to finally catch a pig. The litteun’s are just too frightened during the night of the “beastie” to really help or build relationships other than with other littleuns. The building blacks are all made up of hope of being found.
ReplyDeleteTo be honest I can sort of connect with the boys. Mostly Ralph. He can’t really be friends with Jake because he is just up rooting everything and wrecking anything. In 8th grade I had a friend who would start drama after drama after drama from no reason at all. It got to the point where I couldn’t talk to her for the rest of the year and had to use the whole summer getting ready to deal with her again. However, things changed and we really aren’t good friends like before. So really it fell apart because I couldn’t stand how she acted and did things and she annoyed the snot out of me.
I think that the main relationship in the book is Jack and Ralph. I think that the only reason they have the relationship that they do is because Jack wants to be the leader, and Ralph is the leader. I also think that if the group had chosen Jack to be the leader instead of Ralph, they would have no relationship at all. The reason I think this is because, as one example, Piggy is probably the smartest kid on the island, and had he been the main leader I am sure Jack would totally respect him but because he isn’t, he doesn’t matter to Jack at all. I noticed that something that almost broke up Ralph and Jack is when Ralph found out the fire wasn’t going. It impacted Ralph a ton because the boys could have potentially been saved, and Jack ruined those chances. Another relationship is between Piggy and Ralph. The building blocks of this were that for a little while Ralph thought that Piggy was the only other person on the island. Had Ralph found someone else first I am sure that he wouldn’t care about Piggy at all. Something that is breaking them apart is that no one likes Piggy for his physical differences. I imagine sometime Ralph probably doesn’t want to deal with Piggy sometimes because it could cause him to be an outcast as well.
ReplyDeleteI relate to this because I had one best friend for a really long time and then we just became very competitive with each other about friends and boys and grades. We stopped being friends for about five years, and we are friends again now. I can’t exactly relate to the boys, however I do understand what it feels like to be pressured into doing things to people or not being friends with someone because you want to be liked by other people.
Does anyone have tips on how to get into the book?Right now it is very difficult for me to read because I am just not interested, so I get distracted from it easily and it takes a while for me to get through it.
ReplyDeleteIn LOF, the obvious relationship is between ralph and piggy. At first, piggy is despised by all and just treated cruelly. But now, ralph is realizing that it's piggy that's coming up with all the ideas and he doesn't really know what he's doing. The relationship between ralph and jack is interesting. You have two different natural leaders that have their own separate way of doing things, and all of a sudden, they collide. Now they have to get used to each other, and ralph is technically the leader, but there are still tensions. It's almost like two different forms of government battling it out.
ReplyDeleteI connect most with ralph. Ralph wants power and longs to be in total command over everything on the islands. But then he changes up the rules to his liking when it benefits him. I think a lot of times i find myself acting a lot like him, especially towards my sisters. I always feel like i have to prove my point of be the loudest, but then sometimes ill change things up.
There are two main relationships in the book so far. Between Ralph and Piggy, & Ralph and Jack. At first Ralph's and Piggy's relationship was pretty good. They got along, and Ralph at times did take notice of Piggy's words. However, as time grows on the island, that relationship does dwindle a bit. Ralph finding that he likes being the leader. The relationship between Ralph and Jack has from the start been build off power. They both wanted to be leader, but only one actually gets the job. Even so, Ralph does end up giving some power to Jack, by allowing him to be the leader of the hunters. However, Jack wants more power, more voice in the group of boys. The relationships between Ralph and Jack probably fell apart, because of Jack's influence over a large part of the group of boys. As leader of the hunters, he is the leader of most of the older boys. Which in the end leave Ralph with nothing.
ReplyDeleteI myself really have not had any relationships with friends that ended badly. With that said, I have had a relationship fall apart with not a friend, but a group of them. Just time passed, and I found other friends who I could connect better with. I could still talk to the group, but we were not exactly close. I personally cannot connect to what is happening to the boys on the island. For one, I have never had a situation where I am trapped with a group, and second I have not exactly had a badly end relationship with friends.
So far the relationships between the charecters seem pretty apparent to me, there are those who have power or atleast influence on power and those who do not. I am sad though to see Jack and Ralph start to fade away from eachother. For a while there they were getting along and they made a very good team. Jack was the more aggresive leader and Ralph is the more organized leader, so they balanced eachother out, but now they are becoming more enemies than friends and I am affraid that will be their down fall. It is a weird relationship though because Jack doesnt mean any harm he just is a born leader and it is hard for him to come out of that position of leadership. So I accually feel bad for Jack because he has such an inner contraverse.
ReplyDeleteI have expeirienced a struggle with a friend, accually I have had many struggles but never like an authority conflict like this. Though I do think that this and all battles can be resolved because I have been able to overcome my disagreements. They just need to btake a step back and take another look at the issue that is infront of them.
This part of the book is just like the saying, all good things must come to an end. At first the kids were so excited to be on this island without parents and they thought it would be such an adventure. Their starting to realize they were wrong. I agree with Jayk that they're kind of becoming enemies, but later on, they sort of bond again. I am really wondering what this "beast" thing is going to be. I think once they find it, it will be nothing scary at all but someone that may actually help them. It's kind of disappointing how lazy the help fire workers are. They probably would have been off the island by now if they'd kept it burning. I feel SO bad for Piggie. I think something bad will happen eventually and Piggie will have to save the day, and then everyone will feel bad for making fun of him. I think that everyone will soon lose all respect for Ralph and there will be no more leadership. This may be there downfall. We'll see.
ReplyDeleteSo far the relationships have been quite interesting. The relationship between Ralph and Jack I find particuaraly interesting because both want power. Ralph seems to start to like his power and want more, while Jack still wants power. Even though being named leader of the hunters, he is still power hungry. I agree with Edmond how the competition and need for power drove their relationship apart.
ReplyDeleteI did have an experience like this where competition let our friendship fall apart. In fourth grade, I was the new kid. I had just moved to Colorado and still wasn't that comfortable with Colorado. I was in a class that had half fourth graders and half fifth graders. One of the the fifth graders "befriended" me and I accepted this friendship. She was almost in control of me, commenting on my every move. I, like Jack, did not want her to control and therefore fought back. This continued for the rest of the year and as interactions rose, we slowly stopped speaking to each other. I still see her everyday in the halls, but we do not interact in any way, shape, or form. The need to be in control and not be controlled drove out friendship apart.
I think that as the book has gone one, the relationships between the characters have changed many different ways. In some instances, they have grown more mature, and in others, the exact opposite. I definitely think that Ralph has grown more mature, and that's thanks to Piggy. Piggy sort of keeps Ralph going, because he doesn't want Jack to become the leader. I think that within the story, there has become cliques almost. There's the hunters (who are the choir boys), the "littluns" which is basically anyone about 6 and under, and then the "biguns" which is just everyone else. I agree with Sydney in that Jack is using Ralph so he can influence him with his own ideas about leadership, and that Piggy and Ralph are true friends; they just don't know it yet.
ReplyDeleteThe building blocks of these relationships are what I said before- between Ralph and Jack, the hunger for power. Between Ralph and Piggy, they were bound to be friends from the start, what with finding each other. Jack's hatred of Piggy is something I'm not quite sure about. I think that Jack senses the closeness between Piggy and Ralph, and is possibly jealous of it. The thing that will tear these relationships apart is disagreement and fear. Ralph thinks that the fire is the most important, Jack thinks it's hunting, and they both think that Piggy is just kind of getting in the way. I think that everything will have to get worse before it can get better.
I have had several instances in which I grew apart from friends. One of them was with a close friend that I met in kindergarten. After she became friends with another girl, we grew apart and didn't really have anything to do with eachother. Then, in middle school, we became close friends again, as we still are today. Another time that a friendship of mine ended started in about 3rd grade. I became best friends with a girl, and we were inseperable. She came over every morning before school, we hung out every weekend, and she even spent spring break in Montana with my family. Then, in middle school, she met another girl from a different elementary school. They had practically every class with each other and were locker neighbors. After they became friends with one another and one other girl, they started to leave me out of everything. I tried to stay friends, but the one girl absolutely dispised me, and I couldn't live with it. We got into a huge fight, and for awhile, we hated eachother. We definitely aren't friends anymore, but we have at least gotten over our disliking for each other.
One main relationship in the story is the relationship between Ralph and Jack. It seems like they both like each other, but they have some major differences that are starting to emerge. Jack is more savage and focused on killing, whereas Ralph cares more about keeping order and getting them rescued. They like each other on the surface, but I think their relationship will start to fall apart soon. Another relationship in this story is the relationship between Piggy and Ralph. Their relationship is kind of the opposite of the relationship between Ralph and Jack. On the surface, Ralph doesn’t like Piggy that much, but as the story goes on he starts to respect Piggy. He realizes that although Piggy doesn’t fit in physically he has a lot to offer. I have a feeling they will become closer as the story progresses. All the relationships are really built upon the need for others. Ralph and Jack are close in the beginning because they need to help each other to succeed. As the story goes on though, people are becoming more and more selfish. As a result, the relationships are beginning to fall apart. It will be interesting to see which relationships crumble and which become stronger as time goes on.
ReplyDeleteIn the Lord of the Flies book I see an odd relationship between Jack and Ralph. Ralph is deemed leader because of his skills and the obvious authority of the conch, which Jack is insanely jealous for. Their relationship is not like any true friendship. Jack simply is close to Ralph for he is the one in the position he wants so badly and his competitive spirit drives him to do whatever it takes to get this. I think Jack keeps this up out of strategy and Ralph because he needs to be nice and finds Jack helpful from time to time.
ReplyDeleteIn 7th grade in fact I did have a close friendship that fell apart more toward 8th grade. The friendship lacked trust, honesty, and equality which is all very important in my opinion. When I learned she was talking behind my back and such I knew that it wouldn't work out. Another friend had been going through the same thing with this girl so we supported each other. This is similar to Jack and Ralph because the friendship is not there, rather I like to call this relationship more of a tolerance for their own benefit.
I am starting to enjoy this book a little more now! Ralph and Jack have sort of a love hate relationship. They get mad at each other for doing something wrong and then work together to fix it. Ralph is chief so everyone has to follow his rules. Jack is a natural born leader who doesn’t like following someone else’s rules other then his own. Even though Ralph is chief he needs to respect everyone’s opinions especially Jack’s. He is the sidekick. Jack is starting to ignore Ralph’s authority so things aren’t working out. Everyone needs to work and they need to work together. Some people are getting tired of working so things aren’t getting done fast enough.
ReplyDeleteFalling out with friends don’t happen often but, I recently had an instance where one of my best friends and I got into a big fight over small little things. They kept adding up until each of us blew up on each other. Certain things about each of us bothered the other. I think that is also what is happening to the boys. They are finding certain things about each other that they don’t like. Certain qualities that bug them. The boys need to learn to get passed their differences just like my friend and I did and work together and learn to get along. They don’t have to be best friends they just need to get along.
One example of a relationship in the book is the relationship between Rlaph and Piggy. Piggy would always help Ralph and Ralph would stick up for Piggy for the most part. The struggle for control and the struggle to keep the island in good shape is hurting this relationship. Ralph is not seeing how much help Piggy really is. He needs to listen to Piggy more.
ReplyDeleteI had a relationship with a friend that fell apart. He was a really good friend and it fell apart because I moved away. We tried to keep in touch but it got harder and harder to talk to him. I can relate to some of the relationships in this book to a certain degree. When two people grow up and become different it is hard to stay friends. Although they don't need to stay friends they just need to listen to each other and work together and that goes for the whole island.
The friendship in Lord of the Flies consists mainly of whos bugger, stronger, and smarter. Those people, Ralph and Jack are leader figures that the other boys look up to. There isn't so much a friendship between the boys, but a respect for those who are older. Jack and Ralph have a clashing relationship, they never agree and basically form two separate groups. By Ralph becoming the chief, Jack immediately becomes jealous of Ralph's position. And that set the idea that Ralph and Jack would never really be friends. As time passes on the island the boys, especially Ralph begin to realize the true danger of the situation that they are in. Although the other boys are not listening to the rules that the boys set at the beginning of their isolation, Ralph still tries his hardest to maintain order. Truly, I have never really had a falling out with a friend and I hope I never will. Unlike Jack and Ralph, when I have an issue wwith a friend we don't split up, we discuss the issue and find a solution.
ReplyDeleteJack and Ralph have always had a natural defiance against each other. But as Jack lets the fire go out, and maybe their only chance of escaping the island slip away, Ralph gets furious and their realtionship seems to inflame their competitive edge against each other. Piggy and Ralph seems to have a interesting relationship because Piggy acts as Ralph's advisor even when Ralph doesn't want to hear it. Piggy seems to be one of the most sensible boys on the island. And because of this he might have been why Jack felt so hostile against him. While Jack was fighting the rules it seemed Ralph and Piggy were trying to inforce them. Simon is Ralph's right hand man. He seems to be one of the strongest boys on the island and follows Ralphs decisions with full confidence in him. Ralph wants a civilization until their rescue.
ReplyDeleteOne instance for me when a friendship fell apart was when she started hanging out with another group. Just like the boys started to sway towards Jack when they liked his ideas better. Taking a side can rip people apart and for the boys, limit their own chance of survival.
Some examples of the relationships between the characters are with Ralph and Piggy. At the beginning of the book, Piggy and Ralph were the first characters mentioned. At this time, they were equal with each other. After Piggy told Ralph what the boys at his school called him, Piggy started to lose power. He tried hard to keep his voice in the meetings, maybe harder than any of the other boys. This was because he was slowly falling back into the pattern of his old life, where he was picked on for his physical characteristics.
ReplyDeleteRalph and Jack never really had a friendship together.Both of them are naturally leaders, and they both have strong personalities that causes their ideas to clash with each other. Jack had already found a leadership role before the plane crash, and when Ralph was elected to be the chief, he felt like he lost a part of that. He brought the idea that he could be the leader of the hunters, and that is how he was able to hold onto his command over something. In terms of a friendship between him and Ralph, it was a professional one with no kidding around. This is because they were almost unknowingly trying to get each other to make a mistake, and then try to take all the power for themselves.
I have really only seen one friendship fall apart. it was between two of my good friends. In my 6th grade year, a new girl transferred to our school. She and my friend became best friends almost immediately. they did everything together, but then by the end of our 8th grade year, they had started to grow apart. I still don't know what the reason was, but they won't even talk to each other now, and it amazed me at how they went from friends to foes in a matter of months.
I think that some of the relshonships between Ralph and Piggy is that Ralph feels bad for piggy and that piggy is the smartest person on the island.
ReplyDeleteOne instance that I had was with my friend Parker. He was a really great guy in Elementary school but when we got to middle school, he started talking dirty and putting me down and it really felt horrible to see him like this and I was sad when he finally broke away from my group of friends. I can understand how piggy must feel knowing Ralph might ditch him at any moment.
In Lord of the Flies the leaders such as Jack and Ralph have an unusual relationship in which Ralph wants to leave but Jack becomes a totally different person and only cares about hunting. It wasn't surprising when Jack broke away from the group after the hunters let the fire go out. He became so interested in the hunt that he didn't seem to care about leaving or being rescued. Jack became jealous when Ralph became chief and wanted his position and felt he should take it any way he could like leaving the group. I think that Ralph's relationship with Piggy is that he knows that he is a smart person and he listens to his ideas but only listens and never acts upon them. These relationship flaws could lead the boys to fighting or separating completely.
ReplyDeletePiggy, Jack, and Ralph, have an interesting relationship. Piggy represents all things and ideas logical, and because of this is an outcast. Jack represents all things fun and adventurous, so he is followed and admired by all. Ralph is a mix of both and knows what he is doing. He keeps people happy well laying down the law and is in a way a mix of both Jack and Piggy how are polar opposites. I think the main detriment in these relationships are the differences between the people.
ReplyDeleteOne of the biggest friendship breakers in my opinion is when you stop asking questions and wonder what is going on from the other persons point of view. When you stop knowing the person the friendship will undoubtably start to crumble. This has happened to me a couple of times. One person just didn’t care to keep the friendship going. I guess I empathize with Piggy because no one is bothering to be friends with him anymore.
The relationships in Lord of the Flies started out pretty good. But then it came down to survival. Thats when things got a little tense because everyone is seeking power and fighting until they reach the top. Ralph has really taken control and doesn't respect many others opinions, especially Piggy's. Everyone goes along with what Ralph says even if they think it's wrong.
ReplyDeleteI think everyone can in some way connect to the boys on the island. When there's a mix of certain people with different personalities who are all wanting to be the leader, it can result in a problem. This is especially true with girls who are really cliquey and want to be queen bee. It's almost to a point where people will do anything to gain respect of others.
Some relationships right now between characters are Ralph, Piggy, and the littluns against Jack and the bigguns. These all began with when they arrived on the island. Both Ralph and Jack have leadership skills but have completely different opinions. Ralph is focusing on how to get off the island and being found, while Jack just wants to kill and get meat to survive on the island. These opposing opinions between the groups are breaking them apart.
ReplyDeleteI had a friend who was totally influenced by another girl which broke us apart to the point we weren't talking. This is related to LOF because the littluns and bigguns have chosen and side and now the two sides aren't getting along.
The relationships between characters seem to be merely for convenience, as far as I can tell. Should these boys meet in school, they would probably go elsewhere and hang out with other people. Piggy, Jack, Roger, Ralph. All of them. They are falling apart due to the stubbornness of each of the characters and their immaturity and unwillingness to cooperate and compromise.
ReplyDeleteOne of my relationships I had with a friend that fell apart was a girl I knew in 6th grade. For now, we’ll call her C, rather than put her in the spotlight. She may have wronged me, but that doesn’t mean I should do the same to her. We met, and we hit it right off. She was so nice, it seemed. Then, just after Valentine’s Day, she was the meanest to me anyone had ever been. Ever. And on top of that, she turned two of my other friends against me. Since then, I’ve forgiven all of them, and one of them has partially regained my trust, but the relationships we had will never be as strong as they were. Personally, I don’t identify with any of the boys on the island. The circumstances are so different. An island vs. a middle school.
Ralph and Jack have an unusal relationship. They depend on one another for survival, but compete with leadership. They occasionally side up, with helps their relationship but their constant competitions for leader pull them apart. Frienships sometimes are broken naturally. Sometimes people just move on, and with time they slowly grow apart. Or, you could get in a fight with a friend that is never resolved. Other times, such as in LOF, you are drawn apart because you're different. This can be interests, looks, even your accent.
ReplyDeletePiggy and Ralph have a relationship, because they were the first to meet each other after the plane crash. Piggy becomes the scape goat for all of the leaders (Jack, Ralph). For some reason this draws Piggy to them he will not be out of Ralph's sight and then when something goes wrong he gets blamed. Jack and Ralph also have a relationship, because they are leaders. their relationship is more of a competition, but it still exists. Their relationship falls apart when the hunters, Jack's group, doesn't keep the fire going to the most valuable time.
ReplyDeleteI can not remember any relationships falling apart, therefore I can not connect to the relationships falling apart in this book.
Like bryanh2013 said. Piggy and Ralph have a very interesting relationship. Piggy is like Ralph's vice president. He helps Ralph with the little kids and helps to enforce the rules. However he is a scapegoat for the rest of the kids when something goes wrong. Like when that kid with the mulberry birthmark got roasted in the fire. Piggy was blamed for that and many other things. Its interesting how Ralph lets this happen to his "Vice President."
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