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Montag seemed to almost enjoy burning his house it seemed anyone else have ideas on this?
Class-Did anyone think that Mildred's friends were really odd?
class- Why do you think that Mrs.Phelps was so upset at the poetry Montag read?
bailey i don't know if its even fair to call them friends
Why was Beatty intent on getting Montag so worked up with all of the quotes?
ConnorI think he was happy to be free of the walls of his house because if you think about it he was never happy when he was in it.
Bailey- I think that the point of Mildred's friends coming was to show the "normal" people of society. So no, I think they are weird to us, but they are average in their society.
Bailey- Yes I thought that Mildred's frinds were very weird. Especially Mrs. Phelps, I mean who puts their kids in front of TV after they get home so she wont have to deal with them? Not a very good mother.
I agree josh. do you think he was happy to see mildrid go?
Connor i think that Montag was alright with burning his ouse because he didnt want anything to remind him of his old life. He wanted to start over completely.
Bailey-I think Mildred's friends were a good representation of society, They did not care to think.
Ruthie-Maybe she is different than most people in that society like Montag, Faber, and Clarisse. Maybe she had a realization that society is incredibly mangled and the reading of that poetry was the spark of that realization.
Josh- I agree with you because when Montag started to think and read books more and more, his house may have started to seem like it was cutting him off from getting more reading material. He was able to break free from this in a way by burning his house.
Ruthie-I think that Mrs. Phelps was so worked up because maybe she actually understood what was being said in that poem.
Ruthie- I think that Mrs. Phelps was upset because she just didn't understand it. People often get upset about what they don't understand.
Connor- I think he enjoyed it because he was rid of that which had confined him for so long. The stupid 'parlor' was gone, his wife, who had never loved him, was gone. He got to burn those things that had made him so unhappy as of late.
Connor-If they are not her friends, what are they?
Emily- I think that Beatty was trying to confuse Montag to get him to confess and make the situation confusing for him.It could be also a form of punishment.
ConnorI think he was happy to see her die because he didn't really love or know her.
Class-How could a man like Montag become such a case? I couldn't believe that he killed two people
In response to Chris' question; Ray Bradbury foreshadows that there are people who live outside of the cities who are intellectuals, and think differently from the rest of society. I think that Guy Montag will meet up with these people and mature in his thinking and understanding.
Emily- I agree because Montag makes his living by burning things. I would assume that he thinks the ultimate way of solving his problems is by burning them to the ground.
Class-Did anybody notice how Beatty is always flicking his igniter. Maybe he is reminding himself to go with fire, and books don't matter.
Josh thats harsh would he be happy or just not sad
Connor- I agree with Josh that he is happy to be free of his old, dull life. Now he is free to make a new life for him and be happy. Also he could be nearing a decline in his sanity because this experience is so abnormal and nervewracking for him.
I think that Montag was in a way happy to see everything gone and destroyed because it could be like a new beginning, because everything is so unhappy, so maybe he thought that he could start over.
Class-What can you predict about what will happen in the rest of the bookWe know that Guy is going on the run but can he actually stay on the road forever?What will happen with faber
Kate- Montag is a burner. He burns things. That's what he does. I think it was easy for him because he wasn't sad to see them go. I also think that it was just a sort of adrenaline rush. He had a method to get rid of them right in front of them, and so he used it.
Connor you're right he wasn't happy but he deffinently wasn't sad.
Kate-I don't think that Montag understands this himself; however, he is questioning a society that opposes him and his actions, where he must defend himself and define his purpose.
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connorI think that is the question you have to ask. Are they happy or are they just no sad.
Class-Does anyone else see a connection betweent the masks that were symbolized in Macbeth, Lord of the Flies, and now in this book?
Kailee-I totally agree. I think Beatty has this inner "love" for books, but he couldn't show it. Thats why he wanted to die
Connor- I wouldn't say that Montag is happy or sad. I think that he realized he didn't love his wife, and that he didn't even know her. If somebody I didn't really have much relation to died, I think that I would be more indifferent than anything. I think that Montag was indifferent.
Bailey- Just people that she choses to talk to... friends are cherished and need people who you can talk to about anything. those people don't fit the definition
Kailee- This is an interesting point, it could also be a sign to the audience that he will and shall be assosciated with fire and destruction. It could also just simply be a nervous habit, showing us that even the authority figures in the book are insecure and such.
Kailee- I noticed that, too. I thought that it was kind of just a habitiual thing, because he had had this thing almost is entire life, and humans find flames to be pretty and appealing.
Connor- I think that Montag was sad to see Mildred go. I don't think that he was sad because he loved her, but because he was still trying to figure out whether or not they even knew eachother. I think he was sad because his chances to find that out were gone.
class Do you think there have been other people like guy who have relized the truth in their socity?
Kailee- I think that Beatty is always flicking his igniter in a way to remember what he is doing, maybe he does it subconsiously,maybe not.
Silvana - for the most part, I think that their emotions are mostly at a happy median. They don't have true happiness, they don't have true sadness. I think that there are small emotions to accompany certain actions (for the majority of society), but major fluctuations are just not there.
Good point danny i like your veiw do you think montag is right in his mind set
Kate- I believe he has to dedicate all of himself to this cause, and some sacrifices must be made to force his point. Also he could be nearing a decrease in his sanity, so he is in a slight blur while doing these abnormal actions.
Britni-I think that Faber will die because he has associated with Guy, but also because society which Guy and Faber oppose doesn't value life. As for Monatag, I think he will meet up with the intellectuals that Faber mentioned, and continue to learn and understand.
Kyler-Yes, because Faber tells Guy to get out of town and find camps of homeless intellectuals on his way to St. Louis.
Kyler- I think that it is possible that other people realize what is going on but they might have been disposed of before actually implementing a plan to help society.
Kyler- I think that there has been people in that society that have started to think about their society, but not gotten as far as Montag.I think that there are also people like Clarisse, who already know the truth, and by their example cause others to start thinking. Montag is not the only one "seeing the light."
Kyler- I think that there are probably a couple other people like Montag, but few are brave enough to talk about it or show their feelings to anybody else.
Kyler- I believe yes, i believe they are scared of the consequences of speaking up. They may not have a inspiration to continue.
Class-Back to the beginning inner circle topic.... why do YOU think Beatty wanted to die?
I agree with Aliisa, some of these people like Faber could have ideas but be too scared to speak up or do anything.
Class- What did you think of the carful of kids that tried to kill Montag? Are we getting closer to that?
Kyler- i think most of the old thinkers and teachers like faber realize it but can't or refuse to do anything
I agree with what Michelle is saying in the inner circleNo one thinks that anything is going to happen to them but now i think it will happen more and more.
Kate-I think that Beatty wanted to die because he was unsure about his thoughts. I think that he deep down really felt that books were important. Almost similar to the same way that Mrs. Blake the lady that was burnt with her books.
Kyler-Yes there are other people who think similar to Guy. However, define "truth". We have already been introduced to Clarisse and Faber who think and process information like Guy, and I believe there will be others.
Kate-Beatty likely felt miserable promoting his society's ideals, he fiercely pretended they were his when they weren't at all.
Kate- I think that Beatty might have the same feelings as Montag, except he was afraid to show it so dying could have been easier to admitting to himself what he really thought.
Allie-The kids in the car were just doing that for fun. I think it is scary how our society is getting closer to this tragedy, but people have always liked violence
Kate- I think that the reason Beatty wanted to kill himself was he realized he couldn't go any farther with intellectual ideas. This is caused when he sees that Montag is also starting to read books, but is able to think even farther into the meaning of the book. Beatty thinks that he can't go any farther, and wants to die so he can stop destroying the books.
Kate-In regard to your comment on Allie's question, we may be getting closer to this kind of society, but do you believe that we will ever truly achieve it?
Kate- I think Beatty has realized the wrongs in this society, and simply is discusted with his actions. I think he thinks alike Montag and now he is having a turnarouns, he will too.
Allie-I think the youth today has become increasingly exposed to violence. We have become rebellious, and have started to challenge authority. At the moment we are not as naive as the children of the future, however, we are on our way.
So it sounds like you all think that Beatty wanted to die because deep down, he liked books and couldn't take his fake position any longer.But then why did he want to burn Montag's house if Montag likes books too?
Class-From the inner circle conversation, since we all assume what something will be, and that it will be a good thing, will assumptions possibly be the death of society? Will assumptions rule out inferences?
Kate- Because he had to, because it was the law, and it was probably his last tribute to his fake identity.
Class-Since people didn't really discuss my question in the inner circle, I will ask the outer circle. Do you think our society will end up like the society in Farenheit 451?
Kate- I think that he wanted to burn Montag's house to save him the trouble of what he had to go through. I think that he is trying to save Montag.
Miranda- For now, I can't see that our society would ever be like that, but in the 1800's you never would've guessed that there would be television or World War I
Alex- I agree that we are more exposed to violence today because of technology making it more readily available. I do not believe that children are naive, but more educated at a younger age. This means that they are starting to form their own opinions about life in general, which many times is the opposite of the parents, who believe in peaceful problem resolution. Tis cause them to lead a rebellious and more violent life.
Class-Do you think that Mildred will have no further part in the novel, or do you think Montag has influenced her enough to challenge the system?
I think that Mildred will not show up again. I think her only reason to be in the novel was to show that Guy is different than a normal society. She was just there to show what "normal" society.
Kate-True, so coule the examples you identified be the gateways to a different society? Do objects make the difference, not human beings?
Bailey-I think that our society will become similar to the society in the novel as far as the youth.The youth today has become increasingly exposed to violence. We have become rebellious, and have started to challenge authority. At the moment we are not as naive as the children of the future, however, we are on our way. In regard to the burning of books, I think that this may become true farther in the future.
Alex-I thought Mildred died!On p.18, It said, "Mildred was under there somewhere"
Kate-Mildred definately did not die on page 18. Have you not read her later parts in the 100 pages?
Bailey- I think that there is a strong possibility of heading toward this society. We're getting increasingly closer. Books are becoming obsolete, people dream more of being pro-athletes than doctors and lawyers and writers.